Seth Roberts and Body Setpoint

Way way back in my history of dieting, the early 80s in fact, in the days when I was reading every new diet book that came along, I remember reading about set point theory.

This is the idea that your body has a weight it likes to be. That weight is determined both by genetics and the food supply. I suspect there’s also an epigenetic effect in that the food supply your mother had access to is also coded into your own gene expression.

Your body micro-manages itself around that setpoint. So if you are in a phase of eating a lot of calories, say when you’re on holiday, your body will speed up its metabolic rate to use up the extra calories so your weight will stay stable.

And if you’re in a phase of eating fewer calories, say you’re in a mega intense phase at work, your body will slow down your metabolic rate so your weight will stay stable.

So goes the theory.

You probably remember that the aerobics craze really kicked in in the late 70s and ramped up from there. So did jogging. And we had two new industries: scientific-sounding running shoes, and gyms where we’d go to do the amazing variants of aerobic exercise. All that extra movement was about maintaining or increasing our metabolic rate while we were trying to lose weight.

My own experience with setpoint as I’ve aged and experienced various health problems is what’s shaping the rest of this post.

After I went on the Pill at 19, my weight took a leap of about 8kg. I was very thin pre-Pill, an Aussie size 9. That great weight leap is what prompted me to go on my first ‘official’ diet, the Pritikin Diet. I didn’t know it then, but what happened next was normal for a diet – I lost weight for a few weeks, then the weight loss stopped. That’s when I got interested in set point theory. I joined the gym at my University and went to my first aerobics class.

Of course I look at the photos now and I can see I was thin. I was also 19 years old and hadn’t yet reached my full adult growth, that happens around age 22. But I didn’t know that until years and many more ‘failed’ diets later.

And somehow during the 80s, people just stopped talking about set point.

But the idea was in the back of my mind during those years I was dutifully weighing myself regularly to make sure I was thin enough, or to beat myself up when my weight seemed to spiral out of control.

Because what I noticed was that every time my weight changed, always taking a leap upwards as something significant changed in my life – like my first pregnancy – it stayed at around the same weight without me having to do anything about it.

After my partial thyroidectomy in the early 1990s, my weight took another leap upwards, and no matter what I did to increase my movement or reduce my calorie intake, there it stayed. I’d like to give numbers but I just can’t remember them, maybe I’ve blotted them out 🙂 I know I went from a size 12 to a size 14.

Six months after the thyroid surgery I had a car accident and was left with a whiplash injury. I had a huge amount of emotional stress around all that, I didn’t seem injured and yet I couldn’t pick up my small children, I couldn’t do my gym routines, I looked fine but was pretty much immobilised for three years until I found Bowen therapy and finally healed the injury. Again, my weight took a great leap upward and I was wearing a size 16, and stayed there no matter what I did to shift it down again, and there I am to this day.

If you’ve read anything else on this site, clearly I no longer fight my body, but have learned to honour and nurture it. I do know that since I’ve followed the Health At Every Size principles, I’ve been happier with all of me than ever before, I’ve really learned to love and accept myself and switch off that bitchy inner critic. That is the most important thing we can do for ourselves as women, regardless of our size, in my opinion.

Would my weight have stayed lower if I’d not dieted? I don’t think anyone can answer that, that’s not where the research dollars are.

But I’m pretty convinced about the body’s setpoint, and how the body micromanages thousands of little processes that we’re only beginning to discover – we don’t know what we don’t know, you know? – to maintain its weight.

I’ve watched for news on setpoint over the years and there hasn’t been much that’s made it to the mainstream. Until the last few days, what I’ve known about setpoint is this:

when you reach a new weight, you need to maintain the weight for about 9 months for the body to accept the new setpoint and maintain it easily.

So think about that in the context of diets, and you’ll see why it’s so hard to maintain weight loss. You get to ‘goal weight’, and your body’s still fixed on a higher setpoint, and for nine months it will work to get back there. Then one day it switches to the new lower setpoint.

That’s what I’ve believed.

In the last few days I’ve come across the work of Seth Roberts, a psychology professor who is known for his self-experimentation. The work I’m interested in is of course his work on setpoint and how we can easily reset our own setpoint using food. I’ll be trying out his theories during the next few weeks.

If anyone is interested in my results please post a comment, if I get ten comments I’ll post regular updates as I go.

 

 

64 Comments

  1. Lin on March 5, 2011 at 12:24 am

    I’d be interested in your set point results!

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:30 am

      @Lin, thanks, I’ll post as I go.

    • Diane Royal on March 6, 2011 at 3:30 am

      Yes!! I would definitely be interested in your experiment!!

      • Sandy on March 7, 2011 at 12:06 am

        Okay, will be posting update 1 later today 🙂

    • Sherry on April 22, 2011 at 3:06 pm

      @Lin, Yes – very intereseted in this theory and how it could work for me. In 2009 went on “no flour no sugar” food plan and lost 70 lbs. within 9 months. (From 210 lbs to 140 lbs.) Stayed that way until November of 2010 – when I had birthday cake, then “fell off the sugar wagon.” Weight has been creeping up to 155 presently. Working the food plan but the sugar part is so hard – very addicted. Been excercising on elliptical and walking everyday to no avail. Body seems to want ot stay at 155.

      • Sandy on April 22, 2011 at 9:18 pm

        @Sherry, argh – the sugar is so bloody addictive – one little slip and bang… I get what you mean.

        I wonder also how you feel at 155, do you feel strong, well, etc?

  2. Kristyn on March 5, 2011 at 12:29 am

    I’m interested in your results!
    Would love to see your updates:)

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:30 am

      @Kristyn, I’ll be interested to see how it goes too! Thanks for posting 🙂

  3. Robin on March 5, 2011 at 12:38 am

    I’d love to hear about your setpoint experimentation!

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:30 am

      @Robin, thanks 🙂

  4. Valeria on March 5, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Well, I’m interested.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:31 am

      @Valeria, will be interesting to see how it goes…

  5. Desi Perez on March 5, 2011 at 1:02 am

    It would be intereresting to see your results using the professor’s theory. I’d love to reset my setpoint to my younger days when I could just eat anything I felt like and just needed exercise to maintain my weight. Not the case anymore.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:32 am

      @Desi Perez, ah yes…… those old days when we didn’t appreciate how amazing our bodies were 🙂 they’re still amazing, as we’ll think when we look back ten years from now 😀 But this will be interesting. I’m sure that had we as a culture not been diverted by the false promise of eternal thinness being = health, we’d know a whole lot more about how our bodies actually work, instead of how we wish they’d work…

  6. Michelle on March 5, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Hey Sandy, definitely keen on hearing how you go. I’ve also read some things about setpoint in the past and how it can be hard to change it.
    Michelle

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:33 am

      @Michelle, it surprises me how little we know about setpoint and how to change it. This will be an interesting experiment, though as someone emailed me today, it can be 3 – 5 years before we actually know if a setpoint is really reset. Interesting point. The more we know, the more we don’t 🙂

  7. Gayle on March 5, 2011 at 1:17 am

    I’m interested in following how this is working for you.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:34 am

      @Gayle, will be sure to keep posting about it. Thanks for your interest.

  8. Joyce on March 5, 2011 at 1:18 am

    I would love to know what results you get

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:34 am

      @Joyce, thanks 🙂

  9. Candy on March 5, 2011 at 1:35 am

    I remember when setpoints were introduced and at that time the report made alot of sense. What you said about maintaining a new weight for 9 mo to reset your body’s setpoints, I would have to agree it matches my body’s system as well. That is a good reminder to myself that no matter what food or sweets I cut out, or whatever flu I have my weight return to what it was at the start. The body is a very miraclous creation and I agree we should love it.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:37 am

      @Candy, you know, the older I get the more I appreciate that my body is *so* much wiser than I am, despite my reading and talking to people who spend a lot of time learning about the body. Long-term change that honours the body is the only way to go, and I hope this little experiment will be in alignment with it. I’m very sure I’d not be doing anything that would harm my body, I respect it too much these days 🙂 I love hearing that otehrs have similar experiences.

  10. Debbie on March 5, 2011 at 2:50 am

    It sounds very interesting. I have been at the same basic weight for 5 years.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:37 am

      @Debbie, are you saying your body maintains its weight without you needing to pay much attention to it?

      • Debbie on March 5, 2011 at 4:44 pm

        @Sandy, Not exactly. I do pay attention to what I eat and do some exercise. However I’m not really dieting, nor do I do a regular exercise routine. I have a glass of wine with my dinner each night. I don’t eat enough fruit or whole grains. I eat a fair amount of regular cheese, but eat low fat other dairy. I buy full or low fat products, not fat free. 
        I walk my dog around the block three times a day and we live in a 3 level townhouse. 
        Must add that I’m considered obese for my height 5′ and 160lbs. 
        Debbie
        Sent from my iPhone

  11. Linda Miller on March 5, 2011 at 3:03 am

    I would be very interested in finding out what you discover.
    Linda

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:38 am

      Thanks Linda.

  12. Judy on March 5, 2011 at 3:21 am

    Hi Sandy,

    I would like to hear more about your progress with re-setting the set point. I have pondered this concept quite a bit although I didn’t realise it had a name or had been researched! But I have noticed after both my pregnancies that my body seemed to reach a new post-baby weight and stay at it. It is about 5 – 8 kg above my weight before bub no.1. I seem to be able to maintain that new weight quite easily. Keep us posted!

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:40 am

      @Judy, I love when something that I ponder turns out to be out there in the field of consciousness 🙂 One, because it means I feel like less of a fruitcake, and two because when it’s in more than one mind there’s possiblities of progress and change. 🙂 Thanks for sharing 🙂

  13. Stacie @ Imperfectly Healthy on March 5, 2011 at 3:53 am

    I just read about Seth Roberts research and Shangri-La Diet. Quite interesting stuff really.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:41 am

      Stacie, yes, interesting. He’s been criticised a fair bit but his findings persist. I’ll be interested to track this for myself.

  14. Sarah on March 5, 2011 at 4:19 am

    please do post! it would potentially help both my mom and myself.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:41 am

      Thanks Sarah, I will do 🙂

  15. Tanya on March 5, 2011 at 4:34 am

    I’m curious to know how you go. Is his theory readily available?

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 11:04 pm

      @Tanya, yep, just Google for Seth Roberts.

  16. Aunty Carrot on March 5, 2011 at 4:49 am

    Thanks for sharing your life’s experience Sandy!

    There sure is a lot of MISERY & MYSTERY about our varying weights throughout our lives.

    ACCEPTANCE is such a HUGE place to come to…

    I triumphantly said to my Grandmother (94) just recently after reflecting that I hadn’t inherited the skinny genes.. that I am MORE than just a body aren’t I !?? ( I have suffered years of family criticism..) She smiled sweetly & said “Yes Dear!”

    Regarding the ‘setpoint’… I wondered have you researched Jon Gabriel’s work at all?

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:43 am

      Kate, yes for sure, the misery and mystery is so real for so many, and such a profit centre for the industries that keep feeding us limited information.

      I bought Jon Gabriel’s stuff a while ago but haven’t read it to be honest – his stuff about imagining chocolate is a plate of worms just seemed odd to me so I stopped there – my assumptions tripped me up again it seems 🙂 I take it you recommend his stuff?

  17. Fab on March 5, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Keep posting! Your experience almost match mine word fo word and whiplash for whiplash… I broke my shoulder and was stuck for almost a year, and there came 15 pounds I never did shake off again. And menopause set it all in concrete 🙂
    The 9 months theory is really interesting. I’m working at losing weight ever so slowly, and it seems to be working well. Only five pounds gone, but they don’t seem to be coming back. Yey!
    So keep posting! Thank you!!

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 8:47 am

      Fab, so many people I know report that weight gain, around the 15lbs, after a whiplash injury. Interesting isn’t it? I think that the stress of the constant pain has something to do with it, running elevated stress hormones all the time! Plus the emotional aspects of physical limitations, of course… and then the delights of menopause as well! I’m happily post-menopausal mind you, but I get what you mean 🙂 I’ll be sure to update.

  18. Mellsy on March 5, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Hi Sandy,
    I would be very interested in hearing about your experience with set point theory… thank you for sharing your story.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 11:05 pm

      @Mellsy, thank you, will do 🙂 I’m stunned at the response to this to be honest!

  19. Beany on March 5, 2011 at 10:58 am

    I need to raise my critical voice. Let’s have a look at the main facts: A psycholigist experiments on his body. He tricks his body with tasteless oil or sugared water before having a meal to decrease appetite. He loses weight and writes a book that promotes the easiest diet ever. Whether there is any scentific research or not, after all, that’s still a DIET.
    The “Do-I-Eat-Therightway” train still seems to be interesting to jump on. – I am sorry to say so, Sandy, but for me this does not sound like the rest of your great work about loving our bodies. – Or maybe this was just a trick to proove that women STILL would do almost everything just to lose weight? – I am eager to read your comment.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 10:28 pm

      Hi Andrea, yes I take your point, and I’m sorry you’re disappointed with this approach.

      I read a lot about the criticism of his work as well, and still I’m intrigued to see what happens, the same way the starvation experiment intrigued me. The starvation experiment turned on the body’s survival mechanisms and the absolute obsession with food that we women who have dieted all know about, that’s been classified as weak-willed but is actually every cell in the body making sure it will survive!

      I absolutely know that we cannot force, trick, bully, beg, or otherwise persuade our bodies to do what they are not programmed to do, because they are so much wiser than we are. As you know from all my previous work, I have long encouraged women to love and accept their bodies exactly as they are today, educate themselves about the messages that will work endlessly to take them off that path, find support to keep their resolution strong, and trust that their body will take care of their weight.

      You also know I’ve removed sugar from my diet because of the truly nasty side effects of processed fructose on the body, and sugar is 50% fructose. I still have a whole range of foods that I used to eat, I just make them myself now without sugar and without artifical sweeteners. My appetite has completely changed, I very rarely want to eat sweet things and then can only eat the things I’ve made myself, commercially-produced foods are too sweet and unappetising for me now. I consider my taste and appetite is returning to a more natural state where I eat what I want to, and stop when I feel full. Very often I don’t completely empty a plate. My weight has changed a bit, I have no idea how much because I don’t weigh myself, I’ve noticed that some clothes are fitting a little differently. I’m not obsessing about sugary foods, I’m not tapping to remove the desire for them, I just dont’ want them. Is that a diet? Certainly the guy who wrote the sweet poison book which woke me up to fructose, promotes it as a way to lose weight, and cites all the usual ‘dangers’ of ‘excess’ weight that pop culture loads onto us, which Health at Every Size teaches us is simply not true.

      I’m also increasingly curious about setpoint. As I said in the post, mine changed four times, though perhaps the first one wasn’t a setpoint change so much as adult growth finally being achieved – but I can’t know that as there’s just not research into this area. Most of us have dieted for so many years, often beginning at ages at which our bodies were still growing and we had no idea what our ‘normal’ size and shape would have been without interference.

      So that’s the mindset from which I’m approaching this Andrea, this makes me curious and I’m interested in seeing what my body will do. I listen to it, trust it, and work with it always and if it ‘likes’ this approach that will be interesting, and if it doesn’t, that will be interesting too.

      One thing I’m sure about working in this field is that we must stay flexible, and not take a stance that is automatically opposite to the diet industry – if they say up, we say down. This is not a black-and-white issue, it is infinite shades of grey. And healing our bodies is part of that approach.

      That’s probably not the answer you were hoping for, and I’m sorry if you’re still disappointed. I so appreciate you asking this, it’s helped me articulate my feelings on the matter.

  20. Stacy Ryan on March 5, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    As someone whose set point has skyrocketed 20 lbs, I would be VERY interested in learning your results. I was intrigued by the 9 months to “reset” your body’s setpoint. This might be just the information I need to help reset my set point…once I get this weight off (again)!

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 9:56 pm

      Stacy, I will track down that research and maybe do a call with the study’s author, I’d like to know if there have been any followups and how that’s going. He’s one of the very few people doing research into this.

  21. Brenda LV on March 5, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    This is fascinating. Please keep me posted on your progress.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 9:55 pm

      Will do, Brenda 🙂

  22. MARIE on March 5, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    hi Sandy,
    this set point idea seems to fit coz no matter how much i invest myself, i always come back to 75-76 kgs for 1mt54. Those 10 kgs do go but they do come back for sure.. Are you planning an EFT round to overcome the limiting effects of this SET point on our body?
    Even though my body seems set to be 75kgs, I strongly and deeply love myself
    Even though my setpoint seems to be 75 kgs I choose to strongly and deeply love who I am
    Even though my set point is arount 75kg I completely love who I am

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 9:55 pm

      Marie – heh, funny you should say that…. 😀 Yes I sure do plan some eft for this, I figure I’ll give it a couple of months, blog about my progress, and add in some EFT as I go, then maybe do a call or two about it? What do you think?

      It is amazing how many people have emailed to say the same thing – their body seems to stick to a particular weight and they don’t really have to think about it, they eat well, get some exercise, which is about taking care of our amazing bodies, and that the body will do what it wants and needs to do. We have so completely bought the idea that we not only can, but must, control our body’s weight. When you’re finally free of that thinking, it’s so amusing to look into that set of ideas and wonder at the illogic of it…

  23. Sharon on March 5, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    I’d love to hear about it! I’ve recently discovered essential oils for fat loss and speeding up the metabolism. I’ll be keeping track of my results (starting tomorrow) and posting it sometime soon. My friend went away during a very stressful family member’s episode (illness/hospital, etc) and went off her diet, eating carbs and bad food and came home after a week down two pounds with the oils. She was very surprised and delighted to see how the oils work.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 9:50 pm

      Sharon, that does sound interesting. I studied oils for a semester only, and am very convinced of their effectiveness. I know our cells have receptors for the chemicals that the oils carry in the lovely scents we can smell, so I know they have a definite impact on the body. Let me know when you’re ready and perhaps we can do a call? I am not about weight loss as a worthy goal in itself, but I am very much for supporting the body to find homeostasis, and letting the weight settle where the body is comfortable.

  24. Vernice Dowe on March 5, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I had read about set point in the 80’s but had forgotten about it…I would be very interested in new info regarding this as I truly believe that it is true.

    • Sandy on March 5, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      Vernice, I often wonder why the setpoint work kind of faded away, and I can only conclude it was because someone decided that was that…. thing is, I know our bodies are infinitely smart and flexible, with backup systems for everything. So clearly we didn’t know all there was to know. So this will be interesting 🙂

  25. Lisa on March 7, 2011 at 3:54 am

    I will also be interested to see how your experiment goes Sandy. I watched a documentary on SBS (I think) last year that looked at a very similar topic. The researchers took a group of people from a mixture of lifestyles, body types, activity levels and ethnic backgrounds. They did a round of medical tests and then told the group they had to take in a minimum number of calories every day (quite a high amount but I don’t remember the number). My memory is a bit fuzzy because it was so long ago but basically they found that the people that started a heavier weight had less trouble meeting the calorie goal than the “slimmer” built people. These people really struggled to eat enough. Their bodies appeared to rebel and they felt quite ill trying to eat too much. In the end most of the participants put on quite a bit of weight, but the interesting part was that when a follow up was done a short time later most people had returned to their starting weight without changing their lifestyles, ie no additional exercise or eating any less than they did pre-experiment.

    Between this program and another I saw about the same time about an experiment with restricting food to a group of prison inmates, I have been convinced that the body does indeed have a natural weight it will return to. A number of years ago I managed to lose a bit over 10 kilos and because it was a gradual process and I maintained it for several months it has never (fully) returned even when I eat more than I probably should at times. I feel that my body did indeed reset it’s “normal” weight and returns to it naturally without any special efforts on my part when I have overindulged.

    I am curently trying a different way of eating that isn’t dieting but seems to have helped me shift another 5kgs over the last few months so maybe my body is loving it too and taking me to where it really wants to be weightwise.

    • Sandy on March 7, 2011 at 4:16 am

      Lisa that’s really interesting, I’d not seen that show, I’ll check it out, thanks 🙂

      I think that most people who pay attention to their body’s patterns notice this pattern. And I agree, when we start to make gradual changes it allows our bodies to find natural weight, where it truly is effortless, and we can let go of the stress of needing to ‘manage’o our bodies. I’ll update soon…

  26. BridgetJane on March 8, 2011 at 1:59 am

    Sandra i wld LOVE to talk with u about this…! Having worked with loads of all-age clients on finding a newer, lower set point permanently i have completely different ideas/theories on how permanent wt loss/maintenance happens…and as u aim to convey, its all about learning to love what u have now & understanding urself at a MUCH DEEPER level- it AINT all about foid/exercise/calorie manipulation..in fact as i progress, these are the very MINOR aspects/details…! Anyway, much more to say but THANKU for ur honesty& sharing! LOVE the refreshing authentic & upfront style u also use to communicate 🙂 hope to speak soon!

    Lotsa love

    BridgetJane

    Xox

    • Sandy on March 8, 2011 at 2:44 am

      @BridgetJane, completely agree – it’s not now and never way about the food! Except when we eat stuff that’s not food at all really 🙂 I really appreciate you commenting here, we have to bring all these ideas into consciousness, so our voices are heard in the hurricane!

  27. Emkay on March 8, 2011 at 4:00 am

    Thanks for sharing your insights. Very insightful! I’ve just started eating fruit (planning to eat it, buying, enjoying it, etc). It’s like my body finally realised what I need to do to feel better [I too had a whiplash incident recently, which seemed to put my bod in a state of “confusion”, with pain and weight gain attending.]
    Look forward to hearing more on these topics!

    • Sandy on March 8, 2011 at 4:30 am

      Emkay, whiplash sucks! Bowne Therapy is what helped me over it after 3 years of physio. How lovely that you’re allowing yourself to be guided by your body – there are so many delicious and nutritious fruits out there, what a treat 🙂

  28. BridgetJane on March 8, 2011 at 4:46 am

    Just want to add, Bowen Therapy is INCREDIBLE!!! i am a once-skeptical convert..! In fact HUGE ENDORSEE!! my mum now practices and has “cured” people who were struggling for YEARS with injuries that no other therapists (physio; chiro, etc) could heal…

    She “fixed” me- well my dodgy shoulder (rotator cuff) too!! So Emkay, give it a go 🙂

    Xoxo

    • Sandy on March 8, 2011 at 5:01 am

      @BridgetJane, yes indeed! There was nothing like getting up off the table and being completely free of pain, after 3 years of constant pain!

      Also, my therapist then fixed my dad’s frozen shoulder. Again, he’d been told he’d just have to live with not being able to lift his arm higher than shoulder height – one treatment later it was fixed, and it’s never bothered him again. Definitely give it a try!

  29. Deanne on March 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    I have been teaching well being to women for over thirty years. I totally beleve n the set point theory however it’s fnding your true set point that’s the difficult part. The most important thing at the outset is regulatng your eating habits so you give yourself healthier foods – food that provides fuel to your body and never using food as a reward or a punshment. Having got your ‘diet’ or eating plan under some control, eating so you give your body the fuel it needs to function well, have nmore energy etc., then your body will find it’s own set point. If your diet is distorted with too much trans fat, sugar or salt or with binging and/or denial then you will never get to your true set point. I would be happy to discuss ths further, DR

    • Sandy on March 8, 2011 at 9:25 pm

      @Deanne, completely agree, the quality of the food we eat impacts us on every level, and a healthy body is much more likely to contain a healthy mind 🙂 I do think however that the body will settle at a higher setpoint as a result of years of diet cycles, and that consciously re-setting the setpoint is part of the healing. So that’s what this experiment is about. Thanks for sharing 🙂

  30. Deanne on March 8, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    yes the diet ‘yoyo’ lifestyle is well documented and s proven to add weght but y concern is far deeper than that. I am concerned that there are so many women still discussng this issue, that so many women are stll living a lfe that revolves around numbers – whether it be their weight, their age, their size etc., this is what fnd so worrisome. This constant obsession with numbers is extrelely stressful and living the “I wish” life will never bring happness. That space between what we are (or have) and what we wish to be or desre to have is misery. A shift is most certainly needed – the stress itself makes women get fatter in the body (especially round the middle)as the spirit tries to deal with an unhappy ‘host’. The onlyperson who can make that shift is the indvdual herself. A healthy, well adjusted woman does not need to live by numbers becasue she has achieved the kind of liberation that brings peace and real joy to lfe.

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